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Post by Tango900 » Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:52 pm

Hey everyone, have been reading for a while and thought I would give a first post a go...

Further to what Quidifa said... It's not just the being sued officers have to be concerned about when doing "Urgent Duty Driving" (IE, code one and two jobs)- It's more what the coroner will say in the event of a fatal incident, particularly with their apparent dislike of police.

Touching on "Type" offences - They all relate to traffic (havent heard type three yet)....
Type 1 - Hooning
Type 2a - unreg/uninsured (can't have one without the other)
Type 2b - unlicence
Type 2c - drink drive

People can also be flagged as being previously drug diverted - meaning they can't get another diversion offered and its off to court for them...

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Post by driver » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:28 am

I'm wondering, if a Code 1 job was announced, can any other units in the area also go code2/priority without the usual comco approval then?

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Post by Phantom » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:30 pm

Would think they need approval from someone senior....

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Post by Stretch » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:47 pm

orangepeel wrote:Would think they need approval from someone senior....
Otherwise every man and his dog would go to the same job


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Post by Vkfour » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:52 am

The code 1,2 and 3 system is used in Qld, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. Some services do vary, QFRS is one, in fact, most fire services seem to.

In the even of a code being given to police, it will be given to one car. Others may ask, or be asked to assist, but they may not necessarily be given a response code

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Post by somqld » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:54 am

Comint wrote:It is my understanding that Code 4 is a "negotiated response".

If a complainant is required to be at the 'crime scene' when Police are in attendance, but is unable to be there at the same time that police resources are available, then the ComCo will negotiate with the complainant to attend at some mutually agreed time (usually within 12 hours).

Ask what PAX or PACKS is.

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Pax is passengers on board or crew numbers

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Post by Phantom » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:53 am

Comint was referring to the term used by QPS.... Packs, paks, or pax.... As in the information put into the QPS system... There was a topic describing this in another post.

I know for a fact that Comint is well aware the pax = passengers.... When used in the context of passengers (train, car, plane etc)

Each industry has their own abbreviations, this is one as termed by QPS...

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Post by jas27791 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 5:19 pm

I've always wondered what the "type #" system meant. I had a general Idea, going on from what ive been listening to and now ts good to have some clarification, cheers to everybody :)

I don't know how your Australia Day went yesterday, but there was about 5 code 2 jobs on from what I was listening to yesterday including a 17yr old being fatally run over :(

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Post by mstrkrft » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:11 am

driver wrote:I'm wondering, if a Code 1 job was announced, can any other units in the area also go code2/priority without the usual comco approval then?

Every time i've heard it been announced they've called for all units responding upgrade to Code 1

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Post by SteveNSWP » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:34 pm

In what context is the Type offence used? I have just never heard it, but then I don't listen in to QPS that often.

Here in NSW we use Priority codes for jobs, Priority 1 for urgent response, P2 for immediate response, P3 for routine response, P4 for admin and P5 for record. When we respond urgent we don't get permission. Radio will call a P1 with a triple beep or a P2 with a double beep and we will acknowledge and tell radio our response code. Radio is not permitted to authorise or de-authorise our chosen response, it is up to the car crew to decide on what code they will respond. We can be stood down or our response can be downgraded by the mobile supervisor or mobile duty officer, but this rarely happens. Ifthere is a p1 or p2, its common that most cars responding will choose to respond urgently here.

I am confused by QPS saying that they are responding code 1, 2, 3, or 4. Whats the difference between code 1 and 2. Does code 1 mean they drive faster? We only have code red and code blue, because lets face it, there's only two ways of driving. Code red is urgent, and code blue is non urgent response. I don't know why QPS need to have 4 different reponse codes. Surelythey don't use Code 1 and 2 to tell officers when they should and shouldn't use their siren. That has to be the descretion of the responding crew to decide when to use the siren (Ie to get through traffic, to alert a non repsonsive driver) or to shut off sirens (ie: Close to job or not tactically sound or practical).

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Post by trainguard » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:04 pm

SteveNSWP wrote:In what context is the Type offence used? I have just never heard it, but then I don't listen in to QPS that often.

Here in NSW we use Priority codes for jobs, Priority 1 for urgent response, P2 for immediate response, P3 for routine response, P4 for admin and P5 for record. When we respond urgent we don't get permission. Radio will call a P1 with a triple beep or a P2 with a double beep and we will acknowledge and tell radio our response code. Radio is not permitted to authorise or de-authorise our chosen response, it is up to the car crew to decide on what code they will respond. We can be stood down or our response can be downgraded by the mobile supervisor or mobile duty officer, but this rarely happens. Ifthere is a p1 or p2, its common that most cars responding will choose to respond urgently here.

I am confused by QPS saying that they are responding code 1, 2, 3, or 4. Whats the difference between code 1 and 2. Does code 1 mean they drive faster? We only have code red and code blue, because lets face it, there's only two ways of driving. Code red is urgent, and code blue is non urgent response. I don't know why QPS need to have 4 different reponse codes. Surelythey don't use Code 1 and 2 to tell officers when they should and shouldn't use their siren. That has to be the descretion of the responding crew to decide when to use the siren (Ie to get through traffic, to alert a non repsonsive driver) or to shut off sirens (ie: Close to job or not tactically sound or practical).

I'm Guessing you mean the type 1 etc, if so the context is some times durning a QV the comms operator will say they have type 2 offences just so the officer doing the rego check also knows what other histroy the driver has (this also can be obtained from a drivers license check). also it can be given to the officers when they are reciving thier Qprime job via the radio, agian just so they have a bit of background off they people they are off to see
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Post by rapps_101 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:37 am

trainguard wrote:hey guys

Ok here's how I've come by this info. my cousin has become a QPS office last year and i was picking his brain ova a few things...

they were as follows:

Code 1 - procced Lights and Sirens (audio to be swiched off when close to incident) only given under hostage situations or when persons commiting a BNE are still on site and haven't been alerted to police intervention.

Code 1 is imminent threat to life and it is likely someone may die unless police intervene. Think person trapped in a burning car, person stabbed multiple times offender still at address, etc

Code 2 - (of corse every one knows) lights and sirens

Urgent jobs where lights and siren is used

Code 3 - no lights and sirens needed as their is no imeadate threat to officers or public

Routine jobs - road speed

code 4 - (rarely used but has been given) usealy given if COMco thinks that it maybe a hoax caller due to call info

Negotiated response where the informant has agreed to see police at a specified time - often the next day

Type 2(s) 2A - been charged and convicted off DUIL\D
2B - been charged and convicted of driving unlicensed

Type 2A Unrego or Uninsured
Type 2B Unlisc or Disqualified
Type 2C - I forget
Type 2D - I forget
Type 2E Illegal mod to a vehicle


Perm DNA - they have a perminate DNA record on file

Yep

POI - Person Of Intrest
VOI - Vehicle Of Intrest
QV- Query Vehicle

Yep

and queensland police do use the U.S verson of DUI but we call it DUIL Driving Under the Influence of Liquer, and DUID Driving... Drugs

The abbreviation is UIL - under influence of liquor.

He also informed me of a new type soon to be used Type 3A - Knowen\Recored Substance abuser (petrol, paint, glue, etc)

Haven't heard of those. There are type 1 offences that relate to speeding/racing/burnouts etc

thats what I've been able to get so far

hope this gives some insight into QPS
If I am wrong on these please by all means post what you've come across and i'll ask him (he has ben knowen to joke around with me) but he's very reliable
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Post by rapps_101 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:41 am

Comint wrote:It is my understanding that Code 4 is a "negotiated response".

If a complainant is required to be at the 'crime scene' when Police are in attendance, but is unable to be there at the same time that police resources are available, then the ComCo will negotiate with the complainant to attend at some mutually agreed time (usually within 12 hours).

Code 4 jobs can often be 3 or 4 days old

Ask what PAX or PACKS is.

PAC means that the crew will be calling their report through to the Police Assistance Centre - a call centre for police to do some of their reporting over the phone

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Post by rapps_101 » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:43 am

quidifa wrote:Hey All,

The following should clear a few things up (I hope)....

PAC = Police Assistance Centre. QPS Ring this when entering information about crime occurrences into QPRIME. An officer cannot generate a crime occurence without ringing PAC.

What are you talking about? Police do their own reports all the time.

Reponse Codes:
Officially, according to the QPS safe drive policy there is no difference in the manner of driving for Code1/2 jobs. The difference is what there is an imminent risk to: Code One: Imminent Risk to Life, Code Two: Imminent Risk to property. Thoeretically to cover their backside when driving either code1/2 lights and sirens should always be used.

Code 4 jobs while they are in CAD as code 4, are given to crews as code 3. If crews sometimes cant raise anyone at the job address will tell comms to code 4 it to a later crew.

New Codes:
Yep, new codes exist - They are a couple of new job codes and quite a few new confirmation codes mostly relating to EEOs and are around the 83X series.
There are probably ~20 new codes, some relating to mental health, also DV, process services like warrants etc, also some new traffic codes...
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Post by mstrkrft » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:10 am

@stevenswp

Code one and two are technically the same response (lights and sirens) code one just seems to mean there is an an urgent threat to life..

The nsw and vic pol's systems seem to make a lot more sense to me

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Post by SteveNSWP » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:20 am

Hey mstrkrft, I am not sure what vicpols system is, maybe you could explain??? I have to agree though, definately think our system here in NSW makes more sense. I mean I can understand the different priorities for the jobs, but for the response, you can only drive two ways, fast or slow, so I dunno why they have Codes 1-4 for response. We only have two codes for response, red or blue which is fast or slow basically.

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Post by Vkfour » Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:24 am

Code 2 can be diverted if anything else comes up, Code 1 can't.

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Post by qwertyuiop » Sun May 04, 2014 7:28 pm

Code 1's are very very rarely used. Because Code 1 and Code 2 are ultimately the same thing. The response is still lights and sirens with permission to break road rules. I have been listening to my scanner religiously for almost two years now and I have only heard one code 1. It was a guy barricading his children inside his house with a knife. That was it. There was a guy dragging a woman around his backyard armed with a gun and a crossbow, but it was still sent code 2. They're the same thing.

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Post by TheKiwi » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:07 am

I know I'm about 2 years too late but what the hell.

Just to clarify a few things and iron out some misguided information.
This info is available from public sources such as the QPS website (http://www.police.qld.gov.au/services/O ... lPolicies/) and is interesting reading.

Priority Codes are assigned by the Call Taker within the Communications Centre. Priority Codes are reviewed by the Comco and can be adjusted according to the information supplied on the job card.

The exact definition of priority codes is defined in Section 14.24 of the Operational Procedures Manual.
Code 1 –‘Very Urgent’ – may be assigned in the following circumstances:
(i) when an officer or member of the public is in need of help in circumstances where life is actually
and directly threatened and is in immediate danger of death. This includes the need for assistance in
similar circumstances when an officer is having problems escorting prisoners, is trying to effect crowd
control or is endeavouring to keep law and order at civil disturbances, etc.;
(ii) when shots are being fired or an explosion or bombing has occurred and danger to human life is
imminent;
(iii) at the time of a major incident or serious fire, or in the case of a robbery or any crime in progress
where there is danger to human life;
(iv) in instances of asphyxiation or electrocution where life may be saved or where a person is
attempting suicide or other forms of self harm likely to cause death or serious injury; or OPM Issue 45 – June 2014 83
(v) in any other instance where it is known that danger to human life is imminent.
Code 2 – ‘Urgent’ – may be assigned in the following circumstances:
(i) incidents similar to those above and any other urgent situations without the element of imminent
danger to human life being apparent;
(ii) in any other urgent situation when it is known that danger to human life is not imminent; or
(iii) incidents involving injury to a person or present threat of injury to a person or property.
Code 3 – ‘Routine’ – may be assigned to all other matters which are considered to be routine and not
requiring classification of Code 1 or 2.
(See also s. 14.6: ‘Use of police sirens and flashing or revolving warning lights and activating the light bar’ of
the Traffic Manual)
Code 4 – ‘Negotiated Response’ – is only to be assigned to calls for service in accordance with approved
Regional/Command/District negotiated response policies.
As some have pointed out- Code 1 and Code 2 does not change how fast or when you can use your sirens etc- it merely allows the responding officers to engage in Urgent Duty Driving. For most of Qld's South East, Code 1/2 must be authorised by the responsible PCC- it's not a free for all. The use of C1 & C2 is more about giving some situational awareness to the officers responding as opposed to how fast you can drive.

(In reference to code 3a/b/c/f etc- these were never an actual "Priority Code" and was more just an internal triaging tool for PCC's)

As for "type 1/2" talk, this actually comes from the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act. (https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGI ... ResA00.pdf See section 69 onwards) It is what defines certain offences and relates back to the Transport Operations Road Use Management Legislation.
The reason Police want to know the information, particularly on QV's etc, is that the drivers history on these matters can be very relevant to what ever they are dealing with. The drivers history of Type 1/2 flags allows police to take certain action. IE Do they give the driver a Notice To Appear? Do they seize the number plates/impound the veh and for how long (7/30/90/crusher)?

Anyway hope that helps.

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