RMR Network

[X-Firey]

Could someone out Gippsland way assist with some information regarding the Loy Yang site?

I have the following frequencies for Loy Yang via the ACMA database:
167.1625
167.4625
167.7625
167.9125
168.0625

Does anyone know the Site ID and CC frequency?

[Pumper_50]

I tweeted about this the other day X-Firey. No luck yet.

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[X-Firey]

Thanks Pumper 50. Just located an additional frequency.

[X-Firey]

As a matter of interest.
I have a BCD996P2 monitoring the Kinglake RMR site looking for any 'new' activity.
We have been told that the RMR network is P25 Phase II capable.
I noted communications today on TGID: 63004 (Tech Services). RIDs: 3000021 and 3000022
The comms was encrypted and the display on the screen alternated between PT0 & PT1 during the transmissions. PT0 indicates the channel is receiving P25 Phase II time slot 0 and PT1 indicates the channel is receiving P25 Phase II time slot 1. The BCD996P2 does not ignore P25 Phase II encryption as it does with Phase I.

I wonder if any of the services expected to move over to the RMR network will use P25 Phase II or if Tech Services are using it because it's there and they can?

[Xplorer]

As a matter of interest.
I have a BCD996P2 monitoring the Kinglake RMR site looking for any 'new' activity.
We have been told that the RMR network is P25 Phase II capable.
I noted communications today on TGID: 63004 (Tech Services). RIDs: 3000021 and 3000022
The comms was encrypted and the display on the screen alternated between PT0 & PT1 during the transmissions. PT0 indicates the channel is receiving P25 Phase II time slot 0 and PT1 indicates the channel is receiving P25 Phase II time slot 1. The BCD996P2 does not ignore P25 Phase II encryption as it does with Phase I.

I wonder if any of the services expected to move over to the RMR network will use P25 Phase II or if Tech Services are using it because it's there and they can?

That's interesting.
On the same day (16th Nov) I also logged TGID: 63004 (Tech Services) on RID: 3000020 with encrypted PT1 transmission.
Tech Services have been quite busy lately, but that is the first I've seen with P25 Phase II being used.

I have no idea what that means, but have doubts that the new services coming on board next year will be Phase II, when metro is still only P25 Phase I.
It could be techs testing because they can, or could be testing for possible future P25 Phase II.

I may have missed them, but so far this year I have not logged any P25 Phase II transmissions on the MMR.

[X-Firey]

Tech Services busy again today. Have been monitoring the Kinglake RMR site today with a BCD996P2 and DSD+ from a tapped UBCD996T while watching the cricket.

Phase II TDMA on Tech Services TGs periodically thru the day.

At approx 1630 hrs the following TGs became active with Phase II TDMA. TG:2822, 2859 & 2876.
RIDs: 3189001 to 3189005. These units are still active and also conducting 'private calls' at the time of this post.

All transmissions are encrypted.

[Xplorer]

Yes, same here. Active from about 1630 - 1735 hrs today.

Until recently, I never knew what P25 Phase II transmission looked like.
Now I know what the PT0 and PT1 digital type is.

I can understand P25 Phase I encrypted transmissions could techs testing, getting ready for the regional Police transition.
But the Phase II encrypted transmissions have me beat.

Other TG's and RID's active over the last week (all encrypted Phase 1 and 2):
TG's: 63001 to 63004, 63999, 64001 to 64012.
RID's 330201, 3000001 to 3000020.

CFA Dispatch RID's are normally 320801..., but have recently logged (315219, 320505) (Phase 1 not encrypted).

[X-Firey]

All quiet now but getting interesting again as the network grows.
Interesting to watch the activity on the Kinglake control channel via DSD+. The registering of radios and their affiliation to talkgroups, denials etc, also the patching of 'Supergroups' and 'Subgroups' that have MMR TGIDs.
e.g. 'Patch Supergroup TG-115' 'Patch Subgroup TG-105'

[Xplorer]

All quiet now but getting interesting again as the network grows.
Interesting to watch the activity on the Kinglake control channel via DSD+. The registering of radios and their affiliation to talkgroups, denials etc, also the patching of 'Supergroups' and 'Subgroups' that have MMR TGIDs.
e.g. 'Patch Supergroup TG-115' 'Patch Subgroup TG-105'

Yes, certainly is getting interesting.
In some ways I'm looking forward to the transition of other services to RMR, and then start logging and allocating TG's & RID's as they come up.
But in the same sense, I'm disappointed in knowing most regional Police services will disappear. Oh well.

I'm quite intrigued as to your setup, as I don't see anything like what you're seeing.

My setup is quite simple. Have a UBCD3600XLT or 436-PT and use ProScan for logging.
I see some encrypted Phase I and II TG's (& RID's), but miss others, and certainly don't see what you have mention above.

[Xplorer]

RMR P25 Phase II with full encryption being heard today:
TG: 2876; RID: 3189001, 3189002, 3189003, 3189005.

From yesterday (24th), P25 Phase I with no encryption being heard conducting tests.
TG: 64004; RID: 3000004, 3000042.

[novaboy032]

Is this across all towers or specific locations?

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[X-Firey]

At this point in time the activity appears to be on the Kinglake site only.
I check other RMR sites regularly using DSD+ and nothing but normal activity observed.

[novaboy032]

No worries I've checked my scanner on to record and see what gets transmitted anyway

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[X-Firey]

I believe the Ryanston (a.k.a Bass Hill) RMR site is now up and running.
CC: 167.9875 Mhz
SCC: 167.8375 Mhz
NAC: 164
SID: 4104

[X-Firey]

Some may be aware that VicPol has started the transition over to the RMR.
The old 'N District' should be operating on the RMR with comms being patched with the analogue network for the moment.

I believe it is Phase II and it's not encrypted at this time until the 'ok' is given.

For interest sake is there anyone around the Mildura area or in the N/E that may be monitoring and able to post some TGIDs ?

[Xplorer]

CFA have just announced outer metro districts 7, 8, 13 and 14 are scheduled to transitioned to digital.

From the announcement, they mentioned an additional 33 towers will be built/provided across the four districts.
This will mean searching for more active CC's as they come online to update your records/scanner.

What they don't mention is whether they will operate on the RMR or MMR.
As we know, those district CFA vehicles do have a MMR radio, as well as their current analogue VHF radios.
I guess we will have to wait and see.

Is there anyone in the know?


Announcement here: https://news.cfa.vic.gov.au/-/digital-c ... atest-news

[Boort8720]

My friend is getting VicPol off of Mt Kerang (Charlton), digital Phase II unencrypted. Will try and get a list of TGIDs together

[X-Firey]

TG:4007 is active of Mt Macedon. Phase II currently unencrypted.
ESTA/VKC RiD: 320707
Some Unit RiDs: 311####. Some not displaying on 996P2 or DSD+.
Show on DSD+ as Src=EXTERNAL. Must still be using analogue radio via patch.

[X-Firey]

Xplorer, CFA metro will stay on the RMR network.
There is a list of the new sites on Vicradio Zone.
Ryanston RMR site (a.k.a Bass Hill) in D08 is up and running along with Gnarwarra and Drysdale RMR sites in D07.

With dual band radios now in the mix I believe the MMR and RMR will become a true statewide network.
The user will select the channel/talkgroup they need to operate on and the radio will decide the appropriate network.

[Boort8720]

Some may be aware that VicPol has started the transition over to the RMR.
The old 'N District' should be operating on the RMR with comms being patched with the analogue network for the moment.

I believe it is Phase II and it's not encrypted at this time until the 'ok' is given.

For interest sake is there anyone around the Mildura area or in the N/E that may be monitoring and able to post some TGIDs ?

I have heard some Mildura units in digital and some not in digital. The Swan Hill and Kerang areas also do not appear to come up in digital.

This is only a suggestion, but could it be that units are being patched into the RMR as we speak. Ie. each individual unit needs to be transferred across? I'm not sure, I'm just relaying the information I gather through to the experts on here.

Regards,